Doug Groothuis said, “The Christian faith’s analysis of human nature, I think, is incredibly compelling, because it takes seriously both our limitations and our moral failings, our failures, in many ways, and also takes very seriously our dignity, and our value, and our significance. It doesn’t emphasize one at the expense of the other. Blaise Pascal said we are like deposed kings. And what he means is that biblically we’re not the process of chance evolution, we’re not just an evolved ape…Neither are we gods and goddesses. We’re made in the image and likeness of God. We reflect something of God. We’re rational beings. We’re moral beings. We have purpose, we have intentions, but we’ve also gone wrong. We use our capacities for good and evil. Now when you look at human history you see tremendous achievements, human heroism, beauty in the arts. We see human beings devising incredible technologies that help us to master nature. But then those technologies end up acting back on us in ways such as the Holocaust and atomic bombs.” Do you agree with this line of reasoning? Why or why not?

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    • #95338241
      Barbara
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      I do believe this line of reasoning because I know that we are just humans, not gods. We are going to fail and sin because it’s in our nature to do so. Even though we can create or invent things, some will choose to use these innovations for evil because that’s the nature of man.

    • #95338058
      Erika
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      Yes – life on earth is not supposed to be all there is! Any and every thing we do has both sides of the coin – our human flesh sows our weaknesses. Anything that we do on the “good” side is merely a reflection of who we are in Christ.

    • #95336387
      Rui
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      I agree with what Doug Groothuis said. we are made by God and through us, we are able to see God.

    • #95333250
      Stephanie
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      For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies
      I agree to a certain degree but also see that we are massively influenced by dark and demonic forces that are out to destroy us, I wouldnt necessarily say this is ‘human nature’ but that with the absence of the holy spirit within us we are easily led by the spirits of the fallen angel or nephalim which have an agenda to fulfill to bring about their kingdom on this earth, hence the destuctive technology we create , I would see this as being influenced by these entities more than an evil use of what human nature has invented themselves.

    • #95331904
      Kellie
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      I agree with Doug Groothuis in that human nature shows our abilities as well as our limitations. We are not God, although we act like it so many times. We do not know all things, nor do we know what the future holds, but we still have a thought process, abilities, rationality, morality, etc. We are made in God’s image so we are not a chance of evolution with those detailed designs in us. We use those designs for good yet also evil. Just study history and you see there is “nothing new under the sun” since Adam and Eve first introduced sin to the world. They and their descendants had abilities and talents which allowed them to do wonderful things for good, but also horrible things done for evil.

    • #95331525
      Ann
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      The technologies themselves are not evil, and many are created for good. Because we have free will, humans are able to turn those technologies to evil.

    • #95327514
      Ashleigh
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      I think this is a logical line of reasoning. We are made in God’s image but we are given choice and that primal choice is sin. We cannot be good with God and we see that throughout history as well as our own personal lives.

    • #95321036
      Sean
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      I agree with this reasoning. We are all created in God’s image. As such, we have the ability to do wonderfully good things. Yet, because of the fall of Adam and the introduction of sin to the world, we are also capable of very evil things as well. It is only through the sacrifice and gift of Jesus that we are able to learn the reasons why living life as God intended it is what is truly best for us.

    • #95317890
      Dana
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      Yes, I most definitley agree. Humans were indeed created in the image of God. We have the potential to live a glorious life that honors God. However, we also have freewill that could become corrput with the desires of the world.

    • #95316220
      Woo seob
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      Of course, I agree. Historical events or the appearance of human good and evil remain unchanged.

    • #95314206
      Jennifer
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      I do agree that we are made in the image of God. God created us with all of the goodness humans can show. However, once sin came into the world in the Garden of Eden, all the goodness of man had the ability to be overshadowed by the evil of sin. We will now need to acknowledge the sin, that which makes us do things against God’s will. We must acknowledge the sin so that we can come back to God.

    • #95311983
      Christine Sweeney
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      Yes I agree with this line of reasoning. We desire to do good but we still have an enemy lurking around the corner just waiting to tempt us with the things of this world. We just can’t give up or give in. We may mess up but you have to pick yourself up and start over again. God won’t ever give up on His people. Life is a journey. We are going to have our weak moments and our strong moments but we have to just keep moving forward with God’s help. Like Paul said in Phillipians 3:14 “I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me Heavenward in Christ Jesus. ”

    • #95310520
      Gwyn
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      I agree with Groothuis’s line of reasoning. As Judith says below, Genesis tells us that we were created in God’s image. The Garden of Eden (as described in Genesis) is just one of many examples in scripture where we see God’s amazing creation, and then humans corrupt it. We are formed in His image, but as Groothuis identified, we are moral beings with a purpose, intentions and a capacity to do evil.

    • #95301045
      Judith kamugisha
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      Yes I agree with Groothus’ line of reasoning, because we were created in God’s image. In Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His image in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female. He gave them the authority to dominated everything. But sin change everything. Through the resurrection of Jesus the mankind become to realise which is wrong and which is right.

    • #95298781
      Tiffany
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      I do agree with this reasoning, because I think it gives a great understanding to the balance of us as humans. It helps to explain how humans can be “good”- because they were made in the image of God, we are given qualities that reflect Christ. We were made to bear his image.. yet, we sin and fall short of the glory of the Lord. I think this explains the argument of whether humans are “good” or “evil”. I think we fall in the middle of that spectrum. We are only good because we are created by God, but because of the ability to make our own choices, we destroyed what could have been used as good as well.

    • #95297794
      Frank
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      Really I do agree what Groothuis’ line of reasoning because we were all created in God’s image,like the words of God says we have body, souls and spirit and we’re able to reason, create and think….yet we have ability to do anything we want in God’s praise, but sin change all these things to become worse as Adam and Eva did in the garden, so we need to choose right way of God’s creation in our lives.

    • #95297727
      Isabelle
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      Yes I do agree with Groothuis’ line of reasoning. In the beginning, we know that God made man in his image. However, once sin was introduced through Adam and Eve it forever tainted humans and the world we live in. We are still capable of doing good and being moral because we have our basis in the image of God, however sin has come in and caused the problems that we see both currently and throughout history.

    • #95295010
      Merle
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      Yes, I do agree with this line of reasoning because I am looking back at history and comparing it with the present, there is not much changes in humanity’s thinking. We are moral being with God given purpose as he created man in his own image, in the image of God he created male and female with emotions, will, intellect and creativity,but instead of worshipping him as the creator God, humanity who professed to be wise became foolish and chose to worship idols, the technology created by him.

    • #95293385
      James
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      I do agree. Being made in His image and likeness gives us the honor and significance of reflecting our Creator and King, and He has given us the capabilities to create such amazing things on our side of Heaven. At the same time, we are equally able to use our abilities, or have the things we’ve created be used, in opposition to God because we are flawed and no longer live in the ideal as Adam and Eve lived in the beginning.

    • #95292251
      Cory
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      I do agree. We are made in the image of God. We are not made by chance, but have a purpose. Through sin we have fallen short of who we really are. The technology we have created is magnificent and can be used to help mankind in many ways. It is our sinful nature that takes that technology and turns it into something evil. We as God’s children have a responsibility to share our faith and help turn hearts back to God. The more hearts that God takes captive will lead to less evil in our world.

    • #95285659
      Kevin Menear
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      I do. Mankind is neither perfect, nor remains the clay from which we were made. We have the Spirit of life breathed into us, yet we remain mired within the depths of sin encompassing the world. This is neither end of the spectrum, we are not limitless, nor are we limited to this world.

    • #95282270
      Janelli
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      I do agree with this line of reasoning because everything can be used for good or evil. It is our choice of which one we will use it for.

    • #95278677
      Robert
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      I agree with him 100%. We were made in the image of God, “…a little lower than angels…” and given “dominion” of the animal kingdom. We have a body, soul, and spirit, and are able to reason, think, create etc., yet, we have the propensity to sin. We have the ability to do great things, but if we are to be honest, we can do some evil things. But for the man Christ Jesus.

    • #95278307
      Cindy
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      I agree. Even Paul said that things he knows to do he does not do them. We do have the capacity to do the right thing but we are also sinful from birth. The lust for worldly pleasures can overwhelm us. In addition, God gave man the ability to think through problems and develop solutions. It is up to mankind to decide whether to use new stuff for good or evil.

    • #95277754
      Patricia
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      I agree. Given that we are made in the image of God, unlike us who have the capacity for good and evil, God is perfect, holy, righteous, good. God is immutable, we are always flip flopping. Even when we want to do good, apart from God, we cannot.

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