How does belief in “naïve foolishness” (stage 1) contradict the idea of childhood innocence?

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    • #95336453
      Shane
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      Our culture leads us to believe that we are born basically good and that our parents, environment, friends, experiences, and biology bend us toward woundedness, trauma, and hurting ourselves and other people. In the end, these influences can lead to insight and healing, but often culture turns this into a blame game where excuses and all other kinds of sin are pardoned because it’s just not our fault.
      The Bible teaches that we are all, if not guilty of sin, bent towards sin from birth. There is something in our nature that is immediately broken and trending towards sin and foolishness. There’s nothing we can do in and of ourselves to stop this ‘trend.’ However, the Good News is wisdom personified. It is the cure, the prevention, the ultimate, and ongoing solution to foolishness within us.

    • #95334208
      Waynette
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      Naive foolishness lines up with the Biblical teaching that we are all born with a sin nature. That nature draws us away rather than towards God. Psalms 58:3 says, “The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth.”
      ‭‭From the time of birth, we are inclined to operate in a way that moves us away from God. Compare that to childhood innocence where the unfortunate circumstances of life shape or define the child’s behavior. In other words, that child was not selfish from the beginning, but became this way due to their particular life situation.

    • #95328566
      Lisa
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      Childhood innocence is explained that we are born good and wounded by trauma and are helpless victims of others. The Bible teaches that we are born bent away from God and bound to foolishness. It is my choices that lead me away from God, not others fault.

    • #95322664
      Thu-van
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      According to the Bible we are foolish and inclined towards wickedness away from God from when we are born. This is just natural and inherent, every child knows what he wants, and it doesn’t include God. Thus, there is no childhood innocence.

    • #95321621
      Elaine
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      We generally feel children are innocence as they have yet to learn what the world is like.. However, navie foolishness indicates that even before the children realize, there is the natural energy driving the children to seek for experiences or acts that will satisfy their longings. It may be as simple as crying will get them attention, have the diapers changed and being feed.

    • #95320506
      Wesley
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      From a worldly perspective it is believed that a child is born innocent. That innocence is then corrupted by outside influences. Those influences ranging from individuals, and circumstances. Naive Foolishness is an interpretation of a Biblical reference. That reference from Proverbs 22:15 that foolishness is bound in the heart of a child. The bible states that we are not innocent but born with a sin nature that wants to pull away from God. That is Dr crabs definition of Naive foolishness.

    • #95318551
      Roy
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      Naive foolishness believes that no child is innocent from birth. They have selfishness and desire to satisfy longings in their own way within them before they ever act out this conviction. This is completely opposite the idea that every child is born perfectly good and that it is the bad environment and bad relational experiences that cause them to become selfish and attempt to satisfy deep longings on their own.

    • #95314968
      Karen
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      Nieve foolishness is a belief that we are born with sin and we can make life and relationships work By finding the things in the interactions with people that make us feel good. Childhood innocence indicates that we have no sin . It says that we are harmed by others, and only need healing.

    • #95312464
      Jennifer
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      Some people believe children do not “sin” or do immoral things until they are old enough to choose it. But this idea proves differently, because our hearts and intentions from birth are to look to the self and be self-centered with our motives. We look to anything other than God for our satisfaction, from our first breath. We misdirect our thirst.

    • #95291778
      Geraldine
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      Naive foolishness
      “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” – not simply our doing, but our being.
      As a result of the Fall, all human beings are born with a ‘sinful nature’ to live our lives apart from God. This is our inclination.
      The goal of counseling then is to restore man into the image of God, through the Spirit of God.

      This is opposed to childhood innocence that attributes the trauma he faced during his childhood shapes Him. His “nature’ is innocence, and his problem is the result of someone or something that damages his innocence. The goal of counseling is to repair or minimize the damage.

    • #95284806
      Janet
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      as christians we believe that a child inherits Adams sinful nature and no baby is Born innocent . We are all born essentially foolish and will drift away from God unless the spirit intervenes. The belief of childhood innocence is that a child is born with no inherent sinful nature but is contaminated by the world

    • #95284111
      Kevin
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      One believes we are born innocents’ and things in life change and shape us to do evil and wrong doing, the other places that responsibility square on our own doing and choices and allows us to confront and approach that issue with the help of God.

    • #125129
      Joy
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      It is the complete opposite. Believing we are born into original sin with a sin nature is the only consistent view of the fall of man. Otherwise there is no consequence until we are hurt by someone else’s sin. Born innocent implies a natural purity. But our first disappointment, one could even say trauma, happens immediately at birth when we are expelled from the warm all encompassing womb of our mother into a cold world of overstimulation. Se even the idea of our total innocence is fleeting at best before we figure out our every need will not be bet… but it sure helps if you cry!

    • #125127
      Joy
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      It is the complete opposite. Believing we are born into original sin with a sin nature is the only consistent view of the fall of man. Otherwise there is no consequence until we are hurt by someone else’s sin. Born innocent implies a natural purity. But our first disappointment, one could even say trauma, happens immediately at birth when we are expelled from the warm all encompassing womb of our mother into a cold world of overstimulation.

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      Our Daily Bread
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