How does Dr. Crabb’s statement that “holy passions reside in the center of a believer’s being” differ from the New Age belief that there is a spark of divinity in all of us? Use Scripture to back your reasoning.

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    • #95336159
      Amanda
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      Jesus Christ is presented in New Age as a teacher in contrast to the Christian understanding of him as the Savior of the world. While Christianity speaks of a Holy Spirit as one of three persons of the trinity of God, New Age doesn’t recognize the idea of a Spirit at all
      But many Christians also hold what are sometimes characterized as “New Age” beliefs – including belief in reincarnation, astrology, psychics and the presence of spiritual energy in physical objects like mountains or trees. Many Americans who are religiously unaffiliated also have these beliefs.
      The new age believes there is a spark of divinity in all of us but the bible clearly states in Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit…..So clearly the Holy spirit is not present in everyone because you only receive that gift through repentance, forgiveness and acceptance of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.. John 15:26 Jesus says “I will send you the Helper from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father. When he comes, he will tell about me.
      Jesus is stating he is going to send a helper from the father to be with his people after he left. Meaning we weren’t born with it, it was sent for us from the Father Through Jesus Christ.

    • #95335174
      Shane
      Participant

      New age maintains that Christ or divinity is inside all of us and just need to recognize that’s it’s already there. Christians really do have the divine spark restored to the center of their being. We truly are a new creation in Christ. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! We have the ability to access holy passions only after we are “in Christ.”

    • #95334602
      Joey
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      John writes (3:6) “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” When we believe in Christ we are born of the Holy Spirit; he indwells us. And we are still flesh. We have not become divine. Jesus told us, “And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.” (John 14:16-17). He promised us that we would have help and that help would be in us, but he did not say we would become God ourselves. There is a great difference between having the deep intimacy we believers have with the Spirit of God and becoming God. Jesus says he dwells with us. There is a distinction between us and Him.

      This indwelling Spirit tells us who we are – distinct from God but related to him. “The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.” (Romans 8:16) The change in us is an intimate connection, a union as that of a husband and wife, but not a deification. The change in us is also only for those connecting to God through the forgiveness of Jesus. Those not justified by the blood of Jesus do not have the Spirit dwelling in us.

      There is a common human dignity in that we were created in the image of God (Genesis 2), but there is a deeper level of relating to and being moved by the Spirit of God for those who believe.

      As we come to Christ as our salvation we are given the Spirit and with Him the ability to comprehend the world, ourselves, and others the way God sees them. “For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.” (1 Corinthians 2:11-12). Deep within us (those changed by the Spirit, indwelled by Him) is a different understanding that can change how we love those we talk with.

    • #95333510
      Elena
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      Some New Age spirituality is drawing on ancient pre-Christian (pre Christian imperialism) wisdom traditions. Those traditions have honoured all of life and the divine in each human being. White middle-class male-dominated Christian narrative has not always been faithful to the gospel and has tried to suppress all other forms of spirituality. I feel uncomfortable about the task of comparing Christ to anything/anyone else. I’d rather focus on growing to know God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit, than trying to prove how all other beliefs are wrong and inferior to the gospel. This is my very personal approach and understanding. I do not seek to impose it on anyone else, and hope that it can be honoured by other people without needing to engage in endless debates about how Jesus is THE truth.

    • #95332780
      Omar
      Participant

      They differ on the base they have foundation. What Dr. Larry Crabbs say refers to the Holy Spirit indwelling inside us. What the New Age claims are just empty claims made from nowhere.

    • #95321519
      Jim
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      • #95332779
        Omar
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        There’s no answer here.

    • #95320590
      Waynette
      Participant

      In Romans 5:12, Paul explains how sin entered the world through Adam. He states that because all have sinned, death will come to all. The solution for this death is found in Jesus Christ, who knew no sin yet laid his life down for us so we could know the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In this equation, there is one God that exists in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Better known as the Triune God.

      Teachings of the New Age belief promote that every person is a god. This belief rejects the idea of the unique deity of God, that there is an inborn or natural sinfulness and the truth of the Bible. Another difference is the thought that energy is received from physical objects such as trees, mountains, crystals, etc.

      When a person accepts Jesus, they have received the heart of God. Whether or not the tools are put to use for God’s work right away is another story. This is vastly different from the New Age emphasis on self, where the holistic form of divinity is adopted.

    • #95318841
      Stephanie
      Participant

      Jeremiah 1:5-6 – Before I made you in your mother’s womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I chose you for a special work. Genesis 1:27 – So God created humans in his own image. He created them to be like himself. he created them male and female. We are a child created by God before we are actually created. There is no other way to the father except thru me – Once we accept Jesus as our savior our soul and a passion is lit in us to follow with a desire.

      New Age Belief – I have limited knowledge, as I have never followed or read much on this topic, as I was raised on the BIBLE – that’s the book for me!!

    • #95318251
      Elaine
      Participant

      We are filled with God’s Spirit the moment we accept Christ as our own Savior. As stated in Ephesians 1: 13-14. The Holy Spirit is given as a pledge of our inheritance with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to praise of His glory. As we allow Christ to live His life in and through us, we will learn more about God’s way, His character and presence with us. There are no other ways or means to get to God as some of the New Age belief would think.

    • #95315981
      Thu-van
      Participant

      The New Age belief supposes that the ‘spark of divinity’ is naturally occurring within a person.
      Dr. Crabb’s statement ‘holy passions reside in the center of a believer’s being’, is based on what God does for us through Christ when we believe.
      2 Corinthians 5:17, When we are in Christ, we are a new creation…
      2 Peter1:4, “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”
      Titus 3:3-5, “3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,”

    • #95314813
      Bobbi
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      “For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.” Roman’s 3:23 God makes it very clear in His word that all of us have sinned and are in need of redemption. For those who recognize this truth, then, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. I John 1:9 God gives His spirit to those who accept the fact that they have sinned and seek His forgivenes. However, He does not give His Spirit to those who do not believe and accept these truths. “The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.” I Corinthians 2:14 We are all created in the Image of God Genisis 1:27, yes, true for believers and non-believers, but only true Christians possess the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the New Age belief that there is a spark of divinity in all of us is false. The Holy passions that Dr. Crabb talks about, then, can only be true for Christ-followers: people who recognize they are sinners in need of grace.

    • #95312535
      Karen
      Participant

      Nothing good lives in me until Christ redeems us. It is by grace we are saved it as a gift Of God, not of ourselves that no man should boast. Then the old man is gone and the news come. Then We are adopted and First John tells us that by believing In his name and receiving , we become children of God. Hearts are softened and minds renewed by Christs Holy Spirit. Galatians 210 tells me I have been crucified with Christ and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith in the son of God, who loved me and gave himself up for me.

    • #95309684
      Kandi
      Participant

      Colossians 3: 14-16
      14 Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful. 16 Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts.

      My holy passion comes for the fact that Christ resides in me. My love for Him and passion to represent Him goes deep. I can only have that passion because of Him being Lord and Saviour of my life. I need to remain focused on what Jesus did for me at the cross and how His passion was stronger and greater for the Father and obedience to Him and His love was greater for us than any pain He endured on the cross. I want that same passion that Christ has and I want others to see that in me. Not a fake passion or love, but the true love of Christ that can only come from knowing Him.

    • #95309487
      Diana
      Participant

      New Age belief that there is a spank of divinity in all of us is absolutely in correct. New age does not recognize the idea of spirit because they are selfish and geared towards esoteric and occults doctrine..self worship.

      Jesus while he was on earth promises the Holy Spirit to be our comforter/helper John 14:16 and lives in us, transform our hearts and mind to maturity and regenerates our spirit to become new creations Titus 3:4-6. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you Romans 8:9-11

    • #95309467
      Lisa
      Participant

      Humanity is not holy unless Christ is in us. God created each person, but we have all gone our own way, there is none righteous, no not one. Isaiah 53

      I love to think about what is beneath the self centeredness and selfishness that is inside me. This holy passion is from God, and a gift to each one who calls on His name!

    • #95308892
      Langdon
      Participant

      The New Age belief that there is a spark of divinity in all of us is in error because it denies the Creator. There is life in all mankind only because God has given it to us. We in no way have the power of giving life. We, as believers, however have been given a new heart. We have been given a new life. We were alive physically but dead spiritually and now we are alive physically and spiritually. Ezekiel 3:26, 2 Corinthians 5:17, John 3:1-21

    • #95301848
      Jennifer
      Participant

      In the New Age, people are mini gods, and they are all connected by a divine consciousness. They have that “spark of divinity” just by being a human being.

      In Christianity, we have souls, but we are not filled with the Spirit until we come to know Jesus as our Savior and we believe in his sacrifice for our salvation. Because the Holy Spirit is God, he is filled with truth and love; therefore, as He does His work inside of us, those things will come to the surface and will expose the deep desires to be more like our God and to truly love one another.

      2 Timothy 1:7 says “For God has not given us a Spirit of Fear, but of power, love, and self-discipline”. The Holy Spirit fills us with love and the ability to control our actions, if we heed to His direction and promptings.

    • #95292722
      Richard
      Participant

      As he emphasizes so well – the holy passion is planted in us at our new birth. As Paul so familiarly tells us we are new creations in 2 Corinthians 5. We are given His Spirit to engage us in reconciliation, to connect with each other and with the world to Him. He gives us His heart to transform our hearts with a passion to be His agents of connection with others in this holy way.
      The New Agers believe that people become divine. We do not become little gods. We remain the people God has made – but with His presence by His Spirit in us – to know Him, and to think and act like Him. Such is our high honor of being ambassadors of God most High. To seek to ignite and experience this ambassadorship by means of pursuing the passion of representing Him that He has planted in us.

    • #95290003
      Geraldine
      Participant

      The difference is in the source (who is God), the purpose (Motive) and the destiny (destination).
      Simply put. One is centered upon Christ Jesus – His Person and work; the other is centered upon self.

      The idea of a spark of divinity, most common in Gnostic and mystical religions, is that every human being possesses either a connection with God or a “part” of God or “mini-god”. The goal of life, then, is to allow the divine spark to influence us toward love, peace, and harmony. Upon death, the divine spark returns to the source.

      The Biblical one
      Each of us possesses a soul-spirit, is made in the image of God (Gen 1:26), and is innately aware of eternity (Ecc 3:11). In Luke 17:21, Jesus proclaims, “The kingdom of God is within you.” The Bible teaches that every human being possesses an immaterial soul-spirit, and it is this part of us that connects with God (Hebrews 4:12). However, only a person who has been redeemed by Christ can truly connect with God. The indwelling kingdom of God is true only for believers in Jesus Christ. These scriptural principles do not teach a “divine spark,” as commonly defined. Whatever “divine spark” there ever was in humanity was snuffed out by sin (Romans 3:10-23). Without the truth and life of Jesus Christ (John 14:6), there is no “spark.” Without a relationship with the light of the world (John 8:12), there can be no light (2 Corinthians 4:4).

    • #95284958
      Renee
      Participant

      Holy Passions lies at the center of Gods Heart. Selfishness lies in the heart of man
      But thee heart that follows God is sparked with the fire of God through the Holy Spirit which give the believer
      Supernatural encounters with God and not a false encounter. Found in the Bible Psalms 69:9

    • #95284069
      Barbara
      Participant

      I believe we were created with a void in our soul that only GOD can fill, we try material possessions- physical beauty- approval of others and when one or more of these are not met we blame GOD for not being fair to us. GOD chose us to pour HIS Spirit of love in us -RMS.5:5. We didnt choose HIM. HE called us out of the darkness of our sin into HIS marvalous light-1PTR 2:9. Whatever good we do for anyone whether great or small, we should not be looking for the glory, GOD said HE will not give HIS glory to another neither HIS praise.-ISH42:8. We should always keep our hearts and minds in a state of humbleness, thats its a priviledge and honor that the GOD of all creation entrusted us with HIS Spirit and HIS Word to help every soul of HIS. That we would be a light to a dark and dying world. Im grateful for the Spirit of GOD that brought me to this course to see my selfish- self-centered, deceiteful ways for all these years. I thought I was ok and on my way to heaven. When you truly hunger and thirst after righteousness GOD will lead you on the narrow path. This New Age belief is a trick of Satan to blind the eyes and ears to the truth and focus on being quiet and meditate, another form of self-centeredness.

    • #95282185
      Doreen
      Participant

      The residing ‘holy passions’ in a believer refers to the Holy Spirit promised to us upon conversion. Before receiving Jesus into one’s heart, one was spiritually dead. From the day Adam fell, the spirit left him at the garden of Eden. So there was a spiritual void in a prebeliever’s heart.
      ‘I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever’ John 14:16.
      ‘But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all’ John 14:26.

      I have no clue as to where this spark of divinity in the New Age belief comes from. Could it be from the enemy who is constantly imitating Christ? Drawing many away from the one true God. Blinding even Christians in the form of yoga and meditation.

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      Our Daily Bread
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