J. P Moreland commented, “C. S. Lewis once argued that what people really desire must exist. He made the point that it would be very difficult for people to have a desire to be thirsty in a world without any fluids. Usually our desires are good indications of what is real, even if we’re not able to get at the thing to satisfy it…. Likewise, people desire to live forever with God. And that is an indication of the desire itself, that such a state of affairs is really there.” Does this argument have validity? How might an agnostic or atheist argue to the contrary? How would you respond to a denial of this argument?

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      Yes it is valid, very valid. And an atheist or agnostic just lives in the moment and would stand firm to argure that that is good enough. I would probably engage with them in conversation and show them the miracles and beauty of God and compare it to what they believe and see how they measure up

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      Yes, I think the C.S. Lewis’s argument has validity and most certainly a cause for pause and consideration. An agnostic or atheist might argue to the contrary, since they are “living in the moment”, they might say that their desires are just what they want and nothing more (since they do not believe in a greater design). I think my response might be to engage in conversation where we identify some of those desires and determine if they truly do exist or could exist.

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      I believe even an agnostic or atheist have desire to eternity though they make their hearts harden to stop that desire, so the desire of water is validity to eternity life,if People desire to be thirsty indicates that usually our desires are good indication of what is real so C.S.Lewis’s point is validity.

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      I believe it has validity. An agnostic or an atheist, I believe, have a desire for the eternal, yet they harden their hearts to quench that desire. I believe they convince themselves that it does not exist to prove their point of view. I also know that God can fulfill the desires of our hearts. It is a promise. So if our desire is to be eternally with him, why would he not fulfill that one?

    • #95302207

      Yes because of there wasn’t any water then we would not need it to survive. We desire water because it helps us survive and live. So, I think C.S. Lewis has a valid point.

    • #95294694

      Yes, because if their isn’t any fluids than how would we be able to know how to be thirsty. They would say that we would just know how something is because it just happens. God gave us the knowledge to know everything we know.

    • #95293870

      Yes, because if there was no water then there would no desire for it if there was no God then there would be no desire, but we have seen his miracles and greatness and we desire to see him and fellowship with him to. We believe in the bible and we have seen miracles happen but atheists would say show me God, show us these miracles right now. We have faith in God and he helps us in time of need, and sometime he puts us through tests and trials to see if we truly put our faith in him.

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