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SoulCare Foundations III: Provisions And Practices

  1. Lesson One
    Holy Tension: Leading People Toward the Cycle of Spiritual Movement
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  2. Lesson Two
    Four Kinds of Conversations: Provoking the Right Kind of Tension
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    1 Assessment
  3. Lesson Three
    The Rhythm of SoulCare: Four Movements
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  4. Lesson Four
    The Doctrine of First and Second Things: Beginning to Understand Radical Dependence on Supernatural Resources for Supernatural Living
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  5. Lesson Five
    New Covenant Provisions: Entering Tension that the Spirit Creates and Resolves
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  6. Lesson Six
    New Covenant Community: What the Spirit Makes Possible
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  7. Lesson Seven
    Safety and Excitement: What Makes Someone Willing to be Known and Explored
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  8. Lesson Eight
    The Purity of Self-Awareness: Encouraging Trust in Another
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  9. Lesson Nine
    Discernment: Building Confidence in the Process of Discovery
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  10. Lesson Ten
    Releasing What Is Alive: Touching the Soul with Power
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  11. Course Wrap-Up
    Course Completion
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Christian Learning Center Forums Briefly review what role each of the following topics plays in SoulCare: passion, wisdom, journeying reality, vision, reframing, and categories of understanding.

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  • Liz Woo

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    05/05/2023 at 09:43

    In this recap, it was a good reminder of really evaluating what our passions are and what drives us as well as the person we’re in conversation with. Getting to the bottom of these things in regards to what’s “under the iceberg” or what our compelling vision is seems to be key and Understanding ourselves as well as understanding others relationally.
    Holy Spirit wisdom is essential for each and every conversation and James writes that God gives generously to all without finding fault; if we do not doubt. I believe this course is calling us to reframe or change perspective on how we view people in general, and then one on one relationally , how we view God and how we view problems.
    The journeying reality is that none of this is a quick process and it may not look like what we have in mind or how we “think” it should go (conversations, solutions).

  • Nikki Esere

    Member
    05/04/2023 at 10:58

    Passion – the driving motivations and highly influential emotions working within us as we talk to others; (what does this person think of me? What can I say that would be good? This sounds a bit ridiculous/annoying/scary. Etc etc)

    Wisdom –

    Journeying reality – not just the presenting problem, but where someone actually is & is going in the wider story of their soul.

    Vision – What does it look like for this person to have no greater desire or appetite than for Christ Himself? How would that flesh out, what would it look like? A supernatural end goal.

    Reframing – moving out of the immediate situation to a larger context, often deals relationally…may look at past relationships (ie parents) or other current relationships (ie work colleagues, friends). How is this person relating to others? To God?

    Categories of Understanding – This person has the capacity to choose, feel, desire and perceive. Their flesh and depravity is at work within those, and yet the image of God is radiating in this person. Are they in a state of self-need, making life work on their own terms? Are they moving into soul thirst, an understanding of God as the only means of help and satisfaction?

  • Gaynor Lincoln

    Member
    01/03/2023 at 18:57

    Passion is our motivating force. Are we passionate about doing well, being well thought of, impressing the person we are providing soul care for, or passionate about seeing God reveal things to us that will help the person, and move in this person through his Holy Spirit and refusing to give in to feelings of our own inadequacies.

    Wisdom is what God is shaping in us and for the other person as we listen and interact with them. The Holy Spirit prompts and guides us for the other person’s good.

    Journeying reality is the walk we take spiritually with the person we are providing SoulCare for. We go at their pace as the Holy Spirit prompts us. The journey is as long as it takes, whatever that may mean in this person’s case. We give ourselves to the person, not our advice or just empathy.

    Vision (I love this) is when as we listen, God unfolds a vision for a person’s relationship with him to us. This directs where we take the SoulCare.

    Reframing means to take the story of a soul including the mess and the relationships of the person and by asking questions reframe the person’s perspective to align it with what the Holy Spirit wishes to be and do for this person.

  • Lorenzo Savage

    Member
    12/14/2022 at 20:50

    Passion deals primarily with what’s happening in me as I provide SoulCare. Wisdom is moving into a person’s life by the leading of the Holy Spirit in a way that stirs their appetite for God. Journey reality is thinking about what the person is experiencing right now that you are talking to. How can I be present for them in a safe way so they will be willing to open up and discuss what’s really going on. Vision is thinking about what the Holy Spirit is doing in this person’s life right now. Where direction is the Holy Spirit moving in this persons’ life right now? Reframing is moving from a specific topic into the larger topic of the story of their soul, the story of their relationships.

  • Lisa De graffenried

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    10/09/2022 at 20:25

    SourCare is possible when I am aware of my passions (my motives) and relying on wisdom (resting in and releasing the Holy Spirit to work through me). If the other person perceives me as inviting and safe, they will feel free to share their journeying reality (their red dot, what is happening in their soul now). With wisdom, you consider their journeying reality and have a vision of what the Spirit is up to in that person and of what that person could be like if they wanted God more than anything else. Reframing is exploring the larger, deeper story of their soul. It happens when you are curious to find out how they are relating to their spouses, children, parents, God and me as we talk. It includes their past and present relationships as a context to where they are now. Categories of Understanding include the nature of image-bearers, sin, God’s solution, how the Spirit works today to stir up their thirst for God, how life and suffering and blessings work, and the purpose of community.

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Christian Learning Center Forums How might your experiences in the cycle of spiritual growth help you provide more effective SoulCare?

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  • James DePriest

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    04/08/2022 at 13:44

    I have learned Gods provision when I was in the valley

  • Elaine Chu

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    03/30/2022 at 19:18

    Being able to learn from my own experiences in knowing that we are all broken and need God’s grace. This will remind us to focus on God and His delivery during the spiritual growth cycle. We will be humbled and be aware that without his mercy and power, we can do nothing. This keeps me grounded and gained confidence overtime to trust in God’s faithfulness and have hope that there will be better outcome beyond my comprehension.

  • Jennifer Grandouiller

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    03/19/2022 at 16:59

    It’s inevitable that the people whom we work with will have ups and downs, struggles, doubts, questions, etc. If we are aware, even if we are in a solid place in our confidence in our relationship with God and as we see the move of The Spirit, knowing what it’s like to be in a place of despair or difficulty will help us to enter into our friend’s mess.

  • Roy Peters

    Member
    03/09/2022 at 16:28

    I think having gone through brokenness, repentance, abandoning myself to God, acknowledging confidence in the fact that He only, has the power to effect real change in the heart, and from that place release what is alive in me into the life of my friend.

  • Bobbi Brenner

    Member
    02/08/2022 at 20:28

    The more I become aware of my fallen nature and self-centeredness, and take to heart my need for repentance of trying to make life work on my own terms, God will supply me with His grace, which in turn will lead me to surrender and brokenness. As my heart continues to go through the cycle of Spiritual growth, my confidence\\ in myself will diminish as my confidence in God grows. The more I become aware of my “mess” and my “self” moves out of the way, the Spirit will have free movement into my soul and into another’s, as I humbly submit to Him.

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Christian Learning Center Forums Why is it a mistake to focus on retreating, advising, or empathizing while attempting to provide SoulCare? Which of these three mistakes are you personally more likely to make as you attempt to engage in SoulCare? What do you think predisposes you to make that mistake?

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  • Why is it a mistake to focus on retreating, advising, or empathizing while attempting to provide SoulCare? Which of these three mistakes are you personally more likely to make as you attempt to engage in SoulCare? What do you think predisposes you to make that mistake?

    Virginia A.Miller replied 1 week ago 32 Members · 31 Replies
  • Elaine Chu

    Member
    03/30/2022 at 18:58

    It will be a mistake as we will then look at our own offerings and experience and try to provide the immediate solution or comfort to the person being care for. We will rely on ourselves instead of the guidance of the Holy Spirit, looking from past happenings for both of us and will restrain us from seeing the potential of what can be achieved under God’s provision.

  • Jennifer Grandouiller

    Member
    03/19/2022 at 17:05

    All of those things come completely from our own soul and experience, and leave no room for the Spirit to move. They use our own knowledge but not supernatural wisdom.
    I used to be an “advisor” for many years, although I’ve learned to listen a bit better and become more of an “empathizer” lately. I care deeply about people and want to be a helper to them, and carry a bit of the burden. But ultimately, as I’ve journeyed in soul care, it is truly the best method!

  • Roy Peters

    Member
    03/09/2022 at 13:51

    Retreating is a reaction to what I am hearing that makes me want to back away. As Dr Crabb describes it, I want to move or reframe the situation into something I think I can handle. This stops the opportunity for progress toward what the Spirit may want to do as we lean into the problem just the way it is. Advising without sufficient understanding of what is going on in the person’s interior stops the movement of the Spirit and offers short term fixes vs. what the Spirit may want to do in this person’s life. Empathy is ok but it has no vision for what God may be up to in the person’s life. We certainly want to be empathetic to a person’s pain but there needs to be vision beyond the immediate. I am very empathetic and would be the mistake I would most likely make. I think because of the emotional pain I have experienced myself have experience would be why I’d make this mistake most.

  • Philip Gray

    Member
    02/28/2022 at 21:06

    All three leave out the power of God’s Spirit. Retreat is backing away from Soul Care. Advising only rearranges the person’s behavior and does address the core problem(s). Empathy isn’t necessarily all bad but once again it doesn’t change anything. It is easy for me to want to give solutions or offer a fix to someone. I guess often through my own experiences I see a similar problem and remember may solution and result.

  • Bobbi Brenner

    Member
    02/08/2022 at 20:21

    When we are attempting to provide Soul Care and focus on our tendencies of retreating, advising, and empathizing, we can get lost in our inadequacies instead of exploring our deepest passion, for God. Instead, we should acknowledge our inadequacies through repentance and then wait and listen for the Spirit to speak to us and provide the wisdom to move into another’s soul. I am sure I will make all three of the mistakes listed, but advising may be the one I am more tempted to use in my attempt to do Soul Care. I think what predisposes me to offer advice comes from a fear of not looking foolish. If I made a mistake growing up, I was often met with ridicule or shame.

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